Six months after sticking a night time flying request into TDC without saying how many night flights they want, new Manston El Presidente Tom Wilson starts where Matt Clarke leaves off by ignoring the people most effected and their representatives and still not providing detail on the night flights blight hanging over Ramsgate.
A number in the Gazette today suggests 6,000 quota points (a jumbo has a score of 4) could mean around four 747 flights in or out a night should Tom, Infratil and Manston get their way.
Attached to an interview with Tom in the The Gazette, the paper uses Doncaster Robin Hood (?!) airport as a comparison, talking about passengers it wishes to attract and how many night flights it is allowed to have as numbers Manston could potentially have.
All a load of tosh, as there is a marked difference between Doncaster Airport and Manston. If you look at the Google Maps picture above, you can instantly see why.
3 miles from either end of the airport, all you have is fields. 0.8 miles to 2.8 miles from the eastern end of Manston, you have Ramsgate. When comparing Doncaster to Manston and saying night flights there should be allowed here, you are comparing disturbing the sleep of grass against disturbing the sleep of 40,000 Ramsgate residents (Acol, Herne Bay, Cliffs End, St Nicholas as well).
So these people know this? Of course they do, they are just choosing to ignore it, and hoping that Thanet residents and beyond don't pick up on it.
Two other airports are suggested as comparable - Luton and East Midlands. Now what do they look like on google maps......
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23 comments:
I thought they had to pay an escalating penalty for night flights which made it a very expensive option ?
Manston as an inanimate object cannot "want" night flights, the management however may do so :)
10.40 , manston (owners not the Tarmac) want to do away with the incremental costs as the deterrent against night flights by noisy aircraft was........deterring noisy aircraft from using the airport at night.
East midlands fine noise aircraft £10,000 for a landing. Funnily manston (owners not the Tarmac) don't seem in a hurry to adopt this procedure from brian whites three comparison airports.
Could this be the reason the public are completely being ignored???
Corrupt - common purpose councils
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Start asking the questions and make all involved respond publicly , they should not be allowed to hide behind expensive over paid officers.
http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/body/kent_county_council
Give us the jobs,
you people that complaine are quite happy with your retirment funds or jobs else where, but the people of thanet need jobs, and we need them now, so if you dont like it move i and many like me will put up with a little nosie for the sake of jobs.
and on that note another 30 staff have been taken on in light of the new flybe route !
30 jobs have not been created by the Flybe flight.
0224, maybe you don't sleep at night, hence you are not bothered by the noise
30 jobs created?
Infratil is paying flybe to operate.
I work nights so doesn't bother me
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Here's a novel idea...if you dislike the noise made by an airport - don't live by one! The place has been an international airport since 1989, don't you think 21 years is enough of a time period to either reconcile yourself with the idea of having an international airport on your doorstep, or choosing to move?
Reult: NIMBY hypocricy! I've no doubt that all of the objectors writing on this site will have flown from other airports (probably even this one!) and will have been content to have benefitted from the convenience and value received through using those airports - just because they now have their infrequent summer BBQs mildly disturbed, or haven't the capacity to sleep in a house with a roof and windows to block out the sound, it doesn't mean they have a divine right to start whining about a business which has ultimately benefitted the region.
mr 15:09, you are undoubtedly not from round here.
This site is against expansion of the airport. A genteel little local airport with a few flybe turbprops is not a good thing. hulking great freighters at 3am is not desireable.
Try living in a conservation area and getting windows to block out noise and comply with the rules.
Try getting windows to block out noise from a jumbo at under 500 feet anyway.
NOt many locals would have flown the airport, least those who oppose its growth. It flew about 30,000 passengers over the past few years, mostly retired gimmers from cunterbury going on a glorified coach tour of croatia.
The whole town is reconciled with the airport as it is - very, very quiet.
now fuck off.
"Try living in a conservation area and getting windows to block out noise and comply with the rules."
I cannot get a house in a conservation area let alone windows, maybe if i got a job in this job black spot i could have a roof over my head??
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I'm thinking about moving to Ramsgate and will live right under the flightpath. This may be completely worthless but looking at the airport, land and surrounding land would it help if the airstrip faced a different direction, directly out to sea i.e moving it round about 90 degrees or so ?
Having looked at the map of the airport and the direction of the runway if the runway was turned about 90 degrees would planes leaving accross the sea to the west (I think) of Ramsgate actually not fly over any, or at least fewer houses ?
I would think long and hard before considering moving to Ramsgate if you will be under flightpath... they (Infratil and TDC) cant even be trusted to monitor noise http://www.yourthanet.co.uk/kent-news/Thanet-council-aircraft-noise__monitor-out-of-use--newsinkent38962.aspx i don't see any one shifting and relaying a runway!
Re shifitng the runway if it would solve the problem isn't it worth suggesting to the airport authorities and explore how much it would cost and how it might be funded. Having the airport which may or may not create jobs but which does not annoy residents would be a great achievement. Should we, somebody take this forward ?
Passenger flights are doing well, new ones to be announced very soon ;), all is going well for Infratil :)
I note in the local paper that a BA pilot has said there is no need for planes to fly over Ramsgate town. Is this being pursued ? Also I see that Skandinavian Airlines now make curved approaches which mean they do not have to land over populated areas again this needs to be pursued.
Now that Flybe is gone, I imagine the 30 jobs will have gone with them. The reason? Low passenger demand made operating flights financially unviable... Lack of demand was also the reason EUJet went bust. Infratil will hang on to see if they can milk taxpayers to prop up their bad investment before cutting their losses and ditching Manston.
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