Thursday, 3 September 2009

Night Time Flying request - information #2

Another cut out and keep guide for councillors wishing to swot up on the night time flying request by Infratil. This sentance is from the TDC press release in regards to Night Time flying on Wed 19th Aug;

"...Infratil is looking to introduce a formal noise quota system. This is used by many UK Airports including...Bristol...."

Some information for you on how the noise quota system 'restricts' night flying at Bristol.


Night Flights
Bristol International Airport has operational hours of 7am to 11pm set by local planning requirements, but in fact its main operations start at 6am. A noise quota counts plane movements between 11:30pm and 6am.

In summer 2008 there were 2320 night flights over 209 days, an average of over 11 per night. Of these 1830 (79%) were arrivals and 491 were departures (21%). Note that this does not count helicopters, small aircraft, or some non-commercial flights. The worst night had 25 flights.

Over the past few years, night flights in the winter season have typically been around 900, making a total of around 3200 per year.
BIA has proposed a new cap on night movements of 4500 per year. This is 40% above the numbers seen in recent years. Most of the growth in night flights has been during the summer months, so it is likely that the 4500 flights would be split 1000 for the winter and 3500 for the summer, representing more than a 50% growth in summer night flights – just when sleep is more difficult and windows are open.

From the 2008 summer data, the times of night of such flights were:

BIA Summer 2008 night flights




There is no period of the night clear from flights, and the real departure schedule starts at 5am.

It has been argued that these flights are due to charter operators using cheap slots or due to unexpected delays, but in fact 31% were easyJet, 10% were Ryanair, and further flights are likely for the other scheduled carriers, and the same flights arrive at the same late time on a regular basis.

The busiest weeks had 100 night flights, or 14 per night. BIA's plans imply this growing to 150 flights in the worst weeks, or 21 per night, every night.

25 comments:

Anonymous said...

Looks like you've silenced the Pro-Brigade with these last 2 posts.

Have you sent copies to all of the councillors, head-teachers etc?

Anonymous said...

Silenced....no you've just bored them and they are getting on with their lives .

Anonymous said...

I agree 17:13. We aren't Bristol...so an irrelevent posting I feel....yawn.

Stop the loonies said...

Borrrrrrring !
When smeggers comes up with something worth arguing against I might make the effort to post a bit more, but his posts just spout out the same old rubbish time and time again.

Anonymous said...

So long as you're the voice of the Pro-Brigade, STL, we'll stick to facts and you can stick to cartoons that show yours and your colleagues' real attitude towards the people of Ramsgate.

Stop the loonies said...

.......yawn

Stop Manston Expansion Group said...

17.51. You have hit the nail on the head. We are not bristol so why have the council visited them on their quest to find out about the effects night noise will have on thanets population.

Looney can't argue with facts. Night time flying quotas mean flying through the night.

16.03 all in good time

Anonymous said...

Boring boring boring! if you don't like the aiport MOVE BACK!

JP said...

The 'pro' brigade appear to lack the attention span required to grasp an understanding of the situation.

PJ said...

The 'anti' brigade appear to lack the understanding required to grasp the situation.

Anonymous said...

The Fire Brigade support the airport that has been here since 1915

SO IF YOU DON'T LIKE OUR LOCAL AIRPORT - GO BACK WHERE YOU CAME FROM!

Anonymous said...

The 'pro-noise/screw-Ramsgate duffers are so parochial. I wonder what other nasty little attitudes they're hiding.

Anonymous said...

Can you provide an actual statement and name of these supporters in the fire-brigade?

Thought not.

Anonymous said...

Stop the loonies blog is popular with the KIA firefighters. FACT.

Anonymous said...

Referendum. Let the people decide, for or against.

Anonymous said...

"Referendum. Let the people decide, for or against"

If you just ask Ramsgatonians, most will be against...but most potential users aren't in Ramsgate. Ask all potential airport users of Thanet or kent and Ramsgatonian nimbys will be vastly outvoted. Hard to choose who to ask for opinions.

Anonymous said...

Most potential 'users' aren't even in the UK you Muppet!

It's a cargo operation...remember?

Also, 'KIA Firefighters' are Pro.
Perhaps you should get the KIA cleaners to come out in support.

Doh, try harder...

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Anonymous said...

Lets have a referendum on whether people that were born in Thanet should be allowed to vote in a referendum.

Lets also have a referendum on whether we should keep the TV licence and another referendum on making beer cheaper!

Anonymous said...

"Without us Thanet would be nothing. The locals can make do with low paid work - thats all they are good for."

You'll not be making many friends on this blog with that attitude!

Anonymous said...

Have we had a statement of support from the political wing of the KIA Cleaning & Maintenance squadron yet?

Furthermore,that was a bit harsh Essex boy. You're not the type we want associated with us DFL's. It's vulgar to talk about money even though I'm almost certainly richer than yow!)

I expect you knew Jade Goody.

Stop Manston Expansion Group said...

yes, such vulgar comments not welcome hence deleted.

JP said...

anon 18:08

You seem to have grasped the nub of the matter: the (dubious) benefits of the airport are not accrued by those paying the costs.

Crikey, we *do* understand each other. What a breakthrough.

Now we agree on that perhaps we can move the debate on.

I suggest that the situation is unjust. Any agreement there?

S.H.1.T. said...

Fellow S.M.E.G. members, I'm starting a new group called Stop High-Speed 1 Train (S.H.1.T.). Please support us, we don't need these noisy trains (let Margate suffer instead!).

Stop Manston Expansion Group said...

SH1T, I suggest you speak to Spillet of the Gazette or Matt B.

Both seem troubled by the trains.